{"id":8856,"date":"2009-05-07T15:03:05","date_gmt":"2009-05-07T12:03:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.korhanyilmaz.com\/?p=8856"},"modified":"2009-05-07T15:03:05","modified_gmt":"2009-05-07T12:03:05","slug":"ergenekon-magduruyum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.korhanyilmaz.com\/?p=8856","title":{"rendered":"Ergenekon ma\u011fduruyum"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Ergenekon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Emekli Orgeneral Ya\u015far B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t’tan \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klamalar<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Eski Genelkurmay Ba\u015fkan\u0131 emekli Org. Ya\u015far B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t, 27 Nisan Muht\u0131ras\u0131\u2019ndan Ba\u015fbakan\u2019la Dolmabah\u00e7e\u2019deki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmesine, Ergenekon\u2019dan \u2019Darbe G\u00fcnl\u00fckleri\u2019ne kadar bir\u00e7ok konuda ilgin\u00e7 a\u00e7\u0131klamalar yapt\u0131. Kanal D\u2019de d\u00fcn ak\u015fam yay\u0131nlanan 32. G\u00fcn program\u0131na kat\u0131lan B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t, Mehmet Ali Birand\u2019la R\u0131dvan Akar\u2019\u0131n sorular\u0131n\u0131 yan\u0131tlad\u0131. \u0130\u015fte, Ya\u015far B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131tlar\u0131…<\/p>\n

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Kanun manun anlamam deyip iki tank \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131p durduramazd\u0131m <\/strong>
\n* Akar: Siz \u00fcniformam\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131r\u0131m ve gerekirse aklan\u0131r\u0131m demi\u015ftiniz…\n<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: \u00d6yle demedim. Bir arkada\u015f\u0131m arad\u0131 ve \u00fcz\u00fcnt\u00fclerini belirtti. Ben de \u00fcz\u00fclme dedim, biz da\u011fda da bunlarla bo\u011fu\u015ftuk mahkemede de bo\u011fu\u015furuz. Avukat tutmaya bile gerek yok.. S\u00f6yledi\u011fim s\u00f6z bu ..<\/p>\n

* Birand: Ergenekon sizce bir komplo mu?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Bilemiyorum.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Alg\u0131laman\u0131z ne, nas\u0131l yorumluyorsunuz?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Samimi s\u00f6yleyeyim de\u011ferlendirme de yapam\u0131yorsunuz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bilgilere sahip de\u011filsiniz yani o bilgiler bende yok .. Bir de tam o ilk tutuklanmalar g\u00f6revi b\u0131rakmamdan k\u0131sa s\u00fcre \u00f6nce temmuz ba\u015f\u0131nda yan\u0131lm\u0131yorsam..<\/p>\n

* Birand: Engelliyemez miydiniz, komutanlar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 koruyamaz m\u0131yd\u0131n\u0131z?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Peki… \u00c7ok g\u00fczel bir sual ama cephanelerim var.. Bak\u0131n bu bana \u00e7ok s\u00f6ylendi hakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. \u00d6zellikle emekli orgeneraller gidip lojmanlar\u0131ndan al\u0131n\u0131yor.. Niye genelkurmay ba\u015fkan\u0131 buna mani olmuyor<\/p>\n

* Birand: Kendi arkada\u015f\u0131n\u0131 korumuyor, silah arkada\u015f\u0131n\u0131 korumuyor..<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Bak\u0131n TCK\u2019n\u0131n ek olarak \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir y\u00f6netmeli\u011fi var, adli ve \u00f6nleme aramalar\u0131yla ilgili. Bir \u015feyi ya bir adli savc\u0131 gelecek ya da bir \u00f6nleme aramas\u0131 yapacaks\u0131n\u0131z. Yani efendim \u015furadan gelecek kamyonun i\u00e7inde ter\u00f6rist var diyecek jandarma \u00f6nleme alacak.. Bu y\u00f6netmeli\u011fin 14. maddesi bunu yorumluyor, askeri mahallerde yap\u0131lacak arama cumhuriyet savc\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n talep ve kat\u0131l\u0131m\u0131 ile askeri makamlar taraf\u0131ndan yerine getirilir.. Askere inisayatif var m\u0131?<\/p>\n

* Birand: Yapamazd\u0131m diyorsunuz yani…<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fcknan\u0131t: Yapamazs\u0131n\u0131z ki… Kanun bu yani. Bir Genelkurmayba\u015fkan\u0131 ya da y\u00fcksek r\u00fctbeli bir subay \u015funu diyebilir mi: Ben karde\u015fim kanun manun anlamam giremezsin i\u00e7eri iki tane de tank g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr…. E nas\u0131l hukuk devleti, nas\u0131l hukuk devleti. Bu kadar a\u00e7\u0131kken malesef. Rahmetli U\u011fur Mumcu\u2019nun bir laf\u0131 vard\u0131r \u201cBilgi sahibi olmadan fikir sahibi olan…\u201d<\/p>\n

* Birand: Bu konuda size hi\u00e7 niye korumad\u0131n\u0131z. niye bir \u015fey yapmad\u0131n\u0131z diyenler oluyor mu?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Tabii. Ben de izah ediyorum.<\/p>\n

Vatan millet diye toplan\u0131p ba\u015fka yerlere gitmi\u015f gruplar olabilir<\/strong><\/p>\n

* Birand: Ergenekon d\u00fc\u015fmanca bir hareket mi? Emniyet\u2019in komplosu mu? Nas\u0131l g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: \u015eimdi Ergenekon o kadar geni\u015flemi\u015f durumda ki su\u00e7a gercekten bula\u015fm\u0131\u015f insanlar olabilir<\/p>\n

* Birand: Mesela Veli K\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck sizin i\u00e7in nedir?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Emekli bir generaldir. Hukuki s\u00fcre\u00e7te ben onu bilemem. Ne ifadesini g\u00f6rd\u00fcm ne de ba\u015fka bir\u015fey… Vatan millet diye toplanm\u0131\u015f, daha sonra ise ba\u015fka yerlere gitmi\u015f k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck gruplar olabilir. Bunlar\u0131n hepsini \u00e7\u00f6zecek olan yarg\u0131.<\/p>\n

* Akar: Bak\u0131n \u015fu belge Ergenekon iddianamesinin eklerinden. El yaz\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 tan\u0131d\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Benim elyaz\u0131m bu. \u0130\u015fte bak\u0131n ne lakas\u0131 var bunun iddianameyle. Ablam\u0131n \u00f6l\u00fcm \u015feysi.<\/p>\n

\u015eener Eruygur\u2019dan b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey beklemezdim, \u015fa\u015f\u0131rd\u0131m<\/strong><\/p>\n

* Akar: \u015eener Eruygur\u2019un ADD\u2019deki odas\u0131nda bulunan bir CD\u2019de sizinle ilgili dosyalar \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor? Bak\u0131n e\u015finize ait sa\u011fl\u0131k biligleri bile var. Toplam\u0131\u015f m\u0131 bunlar\u0131?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Valla ben bilmem bunu. Onu \u015eener Pa\u015fa\u2019ya soracaks\u0131n\u0131z. Bak\u0131n daha \u00f6nce de \u00e7e\u015fitli karalama kampanyalar\u0131nda benim gelmi\u015fimi ge\u00e7mi\u015fimi d\u00f6kt\u00fcler. Ben de hi\u00e7 tan\u0131mad\u0131\u011f\u0131m akrabalar\u0131ma rastlad\u0131m. Tabii ki\u015fisel verilerin toplanmas\u0131 yasal olarak su\u00e7tur.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Bekler miydiniz Eruygur\u2019dan b\u00f6yle bir\u015fey?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Hay\u0131r. Hay\u0131r.<\/p>\n

* Birand: \u015ea\u015f\u0131rd\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: \u00c7ok \u015fa\u015f\u0131rd\u0131m. Yani ne alakas\u0131 var. K\u0131z\u0131m\u0131n arkada\u015flar\u0131, ablam\u0131n rahats\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131. Yani ne alakas\u0131 var. Ben anlayamad\u0131m.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Eruygur pa\u015fa ne yapmak istemi\u015f? \u00d6zden \u00d6rnek g\u00fcnl\u00fcklerine g\u00f6re sizin K.K.K. olman\u0131z\u0131 ve sonras\u0131nda Gen. Kur. B\u015fk olman\u0131z\u0131 engellemek i\u00e7in yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f. Sizin pasifize edilip yerinize bir korgeneralin ge\u00e7irilmesi gibi bir senaryo s\u00f6zkonusu.<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Evet, evet. Ben de okudum onlar\u0131. 1. Ordu komutan\u0131yd\u0131m o ara. \u201cBu adamdan bize hay\u0131r gelmez. Alt\u0131ndan bir Kor. Gen \u00e7\u0131kartal\u0131m\u201d diye.<\/p>\n

* Birand: O zaman m\u0131 ba\u015flad\u0131 kampanya? \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc size kar\u015f\u0131 m\u00fcthi\u015f bir kampanya ba\u015flad\u0131.<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: \u015e\u00f6yle s\u00f6yleyeyim, ben 1. ordu komutanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na gelene kadar benim hakk\u0131mda en ufak bir\u015fey \u00e7\u0131kmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Sonra birdenbire, allah allah o adam ben miyim, bu kadar \u00e7\u0131t \u00e7\u0131kmayan, milyarlarca dolarlara imza atm\u0131\u015f bir insan, birden bire bir kampanya. Yani bak\u0131n tekrarl\u0131yorum benim bilmem m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil ama o d\u00f6nemde ba\u015flad\u0131. 2003\u2019te ba\u015flad\u0131.<\/p>\n

Allah\u2019tan bunlar bende a\u015f\u0131 etkisi yaratt\u0131, direncim artt\u0131<\/strong><\/p>\n

* Akar: O d\u00f6nemde sizin \u00e7evrenizde b\u00f6yle bir mekanizman\u0131n harekete ge\u00e7ti\u011fini hissediyor muydunuz? \u00d6nlem al\u0131yor muydunuz?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t:Hissetmeyi b\u0131rak\u0131n, ya\u015f\u0131yordum. Ya\u015f\u0131yordum. Bak\u0131n bir g\u00fcn internette bir haber dola\u015fmaya ba\u015flad\u0131. B\u00fct\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki o patlamalar\u0131, \u00e7atlamalar\u0131 yapan benim. Suyum, buyum, b\u00f6yle karalamalar falan. G\u00f6nderen kim biliyor musunuz? Yani simi. Rahmetli ablam. Yani bu kadar. Onun ismini yazm\u0131\u015flar. Ablam. \u0130\u015f buraya kadar gitti. Yani bak\u0131n 2 saat i\u00e7inde 15 bin tane mail at\u0131ld\u0131 diyorum.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Yani siz Ergenekon ma\u011fdurusunuz<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Evet, hakikaten \u00f6yle. Bu \u00e7e\u015fit giri\u015fimler allahtan bende a\u015f\u0131 etkisi yaratt\u0131. Direncim artt\u0131.<\/p>\n

* Akar: \u00d6zden \u00f6rnek g\u00fcnl\u00fcklerinden…. Ayta\u00e7 Yalman, \u00d6rnek\u2019e Ya\u015far\u2019la ilgili yapabilece\u011fim bir\u015fey varsa bilgim olsun diyor. Eruygur\u2019a kar\u015f\u0131. Sn Genelkurmay Ba\u015fkan\u0131\u2019na sizin terfiniz konusunda herhangi bir telkinde bulunuldu mu efendim?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Benim bilgim dahilinde, hay\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Birand: O d\u00f6nemde b\u00f6yle hareketler olunca duyulmaz m\u0131yd\u0131? Yani sonu\u00e7ta siz ordu komutan\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Bak\u0131n \u015funu s\u00f6yledim. Bir\u015feyler oldu\u011funun fark\u0131ndayd\u0131m. Ama ne yapan\u0131 biliyorum, ne edeni biliyorm. Hissediyordum tabii, hissetmez miyim. Tabii bu kuvvet komutan\u0131 olmamla birlikte k\u0131sa bir sukunet d\u00f6neminde sonra Genelkurmay Ba\u015fkan\u0131 olacak m\u0131 diye sonra tavan yapt\u0131.<\/p>\n

* Birand: O zaman bunun ciddi oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n

B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Yani bak\u0131n ben hukuk anlam\u0131nda kendimi e\u011fittim. Ciddi bir\u015fey s\u00f6ylerken \u00f6zellikle kimseyi delil olmadan su\u00e7lamamay\u0131 \u00f6\u011frendim.<\/p>\n

Kimse \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015feni yapmaz i\u015f askere kal\u0131rsa, askerin yapaca\u011f\u0131 tek \u015fey kal\u0131yor: Silah\u0131n\u0131 eline almak<\/strong><\/p>\n

* Birand: AKP\u2019nin se\u00e7imlerdeki ba\u015far\u0131s\u0131 ba\u015far\u0131s\u0131 askeri erozyona u\u011fratt\u0131 m\u0131?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Bu rejimin tek muhaf\u0131z\u0131 asker midir? Her kesim \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015feni yapsa, \u015fiddere ba\u015f vurmadan yasal yollarla tepkisini g\u00f6sterse, ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 bir sonu\u00e7 al\u0131n\u0131labilirdi. Ama bu yap\u0131lmay\u0131nca i\u015f askere kal\u0131nca, askerin de yapaca\u011f\u0131 tek \u015fey kal\u0131yor: Silah\u0131 eline almak.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Subaylar\u0131 en \u00e7ok ne k\u0131zd\u0131r\u0131r? Subay darbe d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr m\u00fc?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: \u0130zin verirseniz k\u0131zd\u0131rma laf\u0131n\u0131 \u00fczer diye de\u011fi\u015ftirelim. K\u0131zd\u0131\u011f\u0131 da olabilir tabii, TSK iki konuda hassast\u0131r, birincisi; Anayasa\u2019da tarif edilen cumhuriyetin tarifleri, ikincisi devletin \u00fcniter yap\u0131s\u0131, bu konularda bir zafiyet varsa mesela PKK ter\u00f6r\u00fc yada anti-laik hareketler gibi bunlar tabi\u00ee ki r\u00fctbeli insanlar\u0131 \u00fczer.<\/p>\n

* Birand: Peki \u015fu anda da \u00fcz\u00fcyor mu?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Asker de insand\u0131r, bas\u0131ndan da televizyon yay\u0131nlar\u0131ndan da etkilenebilir. Mesela PKK\u2019ya yak\u0131n bir organizasyonun mensubu \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p diyor ki: \u201929 mart se\u00e7imleri K\u00fcrdistan\u2019\u0131n hududunu \u00e7izmi\u015ftir\u2019. \u015eimdi ter\u00f6rle m\u00fccadele eden insanlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn. Bu s\u00f6z kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda mutlu mu olur?<\/p>\n

Dolmabah\u00e7e\u2019de ne konu\u015fuldu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

* 5 May\u0131s 2007\u2019de Dolmabah\u00e7e\u2019de ne konu\u015fuldu?<\/p>\n

B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Bir s\u00fcr\u00fc \u015fehir efsanesi t\u00fcretildi. \u015ea\u015f\u0131rd\u0131m. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu gizli bir toplant\u0131 de\u011fil. Dolmabah\u00e7e\u2019deki Ba\u015fbakan\u2019\u0131n \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma ofisine resmi \u00fcniformam, forsum bir s\u00fcr\u00fc bas\u0131n ordusunun aras\u0131ndan ge\u00e7tim girdim. Genelkurmay Ba\u015fkan\u0131, Ba\u015fbakan\u2019la \u00e7e\u015fitli kereler g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr. Efendim ben g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeye gitti\u011fimde Ba\u015fbakan \u00f6n\u00fcme dosya atm\u0131\u015f. Ne dosyas\u0131, e\u015fimin evdeki harcamalar\u0131. Ben de eyvah demi\u015fim. Durum k\u00f6t\u00fc. Ben art\u0131k konu\u015fmayay\u0131m demi\u015fim. Bir k\u00f6\u015fe yazar\u0131 (Fikri Sa\u011flar) bunu dedikoduya dayal\u0131 olarak yazd\u0131. Manevi tazminat davas\u0131 a\u00e7t\u0131k. Kazand\u0131k. Hizmet s\u00fcrem boyunca d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcklerimi hep s\u00f6yledim. Ama her g\u00fcn de bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnceyi if\u015fa edemezsiniz.<\/p>\n

* Ama hi\u00e7bir a\u00e7\u0131klama yap\u0131lmayacak havas\u0131 y\u00fcz\u00fcnden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 bu. Ba\u015fbakan en \u00e7ok neyin \u00fcst\u00fcnde durdu orada?<\/p>\n

* B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t: Ben bir\u015fey s\u00f6yleyemem. Peki \u015funu da d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmek laz\u0131m. Neden hi\u00e7bir \u015fey s\u0131zmad\u0131. Yani \u015fu da var, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de hi\u00e7bir \u015fey s\u0131r kalm\u0131yor. Ama \u015fu da var. Bu o \u015fantaj\u0131n yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 anlam\u0131na m\u0131 geliyor? Yan\u0131lm\u0131yorsam 2 bu\u00e7uk saate yak\u0131n bir s\u00fcre her konu konu\u015fuldu. Her \u015fey konu\u015fuldu. Ama her konu\u015fulan\u0131 da d\u0131\u015far\u0131ya a\u00e7\u0131klaman\u0131n \u015feyi yok. 27 Nisan\u2019\u0131 daha \u00f6nce konu\u015ftuk. Dolmabah\u00e7e konu\u015fmas\u0131ndan \u00f6nce. Anlatt\u0131m. Bunu yay\u0131nlamam\u0131za neden olan \u015feyleri a\u00e7\u0131k a\u00e7\u0131k anlatt\u0131m.<\/p>\n

Kaynak : Vatan<\/span>
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Emekli Orgeneral Ya\u015far B\u00fcy\u00fckan\u0131t’tan \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klamalar<\/p>\n

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